Complaint Issue

Discussion in 'Ask A Cop' started by SpawnOfAlinsky, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. SpawnOfAlinsky

    SpawnOfAlinsky New Member

    A state trooper came to our home asking after an elderly relative, and I was made incredibly uncomfortable and felt unsafe, though I often feel that way around anyone with guns (uniform or no, guns don't make me feel safer). I was very rattled by behavior that I found to be standoffish and evasive regarding my relative, though I recognize that from an impartial observer it probably looked like they were simply trying not to disclose details to anyone but the relative they were seeking. The officer speaking was one I recognized from a prior encounter when an exit on the road was blocked off, and when I leaned out the passenger window to ask about alternate routes he shouted angrily that it wasn't his problem and scared us off. After they left a business card with a very specific threat of arrest to the relative without any other explanation and departed, I felt angered and shaken and promptly looked for a way to file a complaint about the way the warrant had been handled. I did not want to generate any kind of massive investigation against this officer, I simply wanted to know what my recourse was and wanted to discuss it with someone who had appropriate authority, and see if I was overreacting. In my angered state I speculated about his issues with my family and stated that he had yelled. I now realize that the wording of the statement suggests he yelled at me when visiting the house - he didn't - instead of at the less serious time on the highway - when he did. When I found an online form I filled it out and hoped I would get some recourse and answers. I was contacted by an IA officer who went over the sound on the dash cam from the visit and said my complaints were unfounded "if not fabricated," and did a decent job of calming me down and going over the issue with me. Satisfied and self-effaced that I had overreacted, I asked about issues of anonymity and withdrew the complaint.

    The relative is looking at a non-punitive option for the infraction, and during that process, the officer confronted them about the complaint, apparently having had an IA investigation hanging over their head for weeks (the complaint process took barely one week before it was withdrawn, but apparently it took the state many weeks to process). The relative obviously did not know about the complaint, I considered it separate from whatever their issue was, just something minimal about officer conduct. I had no idea the form I used would instigate a procedure that would alert the officer it concerned, and I had simply wanted to know if there was any recourse for what I had falsely perceived as misbehavior, not any gross crime or violation. Apparently it terrified and/or enraged this trooper, whom while I may not like his way of dealing with passengers asking for directions, I have no problem with. The form I used was directly related to the state police, and claimed that the results of all investigations are kept confidential. The officer said to the relative that I fabricated things, and clearly believed this relative had put me up to it until the moment it became clear the relative did not know about the complaint, and still likely believes the complaint was with malicious intent and not out of my own overreaction and paranoia concerning the powers of law enforcement.

    1) Why did this complaint not remain anonymous, despite it being withdrawn and my persistent requests that it not reach the officer of concern, as ultimately I withdrew it after realizing my biases had clouded my perceptions?
    2) What happens now? I really wish the complaint could be buried and done with, it shouldn't count as a mark against this officer, I genuinely was just looking to see if there was simply some way to have him be given a non-formal nudge of "don't yell at people" or "don't try to actively frighten people by threatening their relatives with non-specific arrest and then walking off without any other information."

    I know many people won't agree with me, I simply wanted some non-punitive recourse to air concerns about problematic behavior in a way that would not have this officer targeting me or my family or feeling targeted by the complaint. As much as I'd like to apologize directly to this officer for the stress that my speculations and poor complaint procedure/understanding has caused him, I worry that he will have the option to spin it into a false statement or something that he may use to criminalize my conduct. I simply want him to continue with his job, me to get better at not being scared of police, and my relative to finish their non-punitive justice process without the officer thinking I'm trying to undermine him or do something malicious. The info when filing the complaint made me believe it would remain sealed or at least anonymous, but clearly that was not the case.

    This is a very tangled web of overreactions and bad decisions, and I take much of the blame for it. Having spent the last few years traveling the country, I have seen many reasons to fear state police and fewer situations where one was inclined to trust them, and even when returning to the safe haven of a small town, I feel uneasy around men with guns and the authority to shoot me with them. While I believe there are systemic problems in our law enforcement and criminal justice systems, I obviously don't believe it makes all cops bad, but I worry that it fosters a culture with less accountability for the smaller problems as well as the larger ones. This complaint started as me wanting a way to express dissatisfaction with an officer's behavior, not attempt to indict them for any gross misconduct or criminal activity. Perhaps there is a community-related avenue I could have gone through, but none of the ones I could see would enable any degree of privacy or anonymity for even the initial conversation. I don't understand why it escalated into something that the officer not only discovered, but then learned copious details of (many of which do not match my recollection of the complaint, and I worry may have been pulled from a stressed and occasionally speculative/hyperbolic conversation with the IA officer). Can the officer use this against my relative? Is there some way to show that I regret the escalation of the complaint and was not intending to instigate such an investigation? I'm just worried I may have needlessly pissed off a state cop with my own fear of police.
  2. trueblue

    trueblue MassCops Member

    I worked a double today and I'm too tired to respond.... I think I'll just sit on the sidelines and laugh when I read the comments.
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  3. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound MassCops Member

  4. USAF286

    USAF286 MassCops Member

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  5. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Wow, just wow :confused:
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  6. Fuzzywuzzy

    Fuzzywuzzy MassCops Member

  7. Joel98

    Joel98 MassCops Member

    I don't even know where to begin..
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  8. kdk240

    kdk240 MassCops Member

    I was beyond exausted today to begin with then I decided to read this little jem. I feel like I need a labotomy now. Wtf.
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  9. Pvt. Cowboy

    Pvt. Cowboy Lemme take a selfie Staff Member

    What's more rattling, is that they clearly like the teachings of Saul Alinksy, a known leftist radical.

    Sorry that guns "make you feel unsafe" lol. Maybe crayons and juice boxes in a college setting would have been a better environment for you.

    I'm guessing you're probably a young millennial?
  10. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

  11. Danusmc0321

    Danusmc0321 MassCops Member

    You must have been a fun one for IA to talk too. "I noticed a slight inflection in the troopers voice that I perceived as angry and aggression. That, mixed with the massive double barrrel bazoka on his hip, I thought I was about to be murdered in my own home. Can you tell the police to stop being so scary around me please, it's really them that needs to change, NOT me at all, I have wicked normal and reasonable viewpoints".
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  12. unexpo

    unexpo MassCops Member

    The OP has to be a troll post
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  13. k12kop

    k12kop MassCops Member

    I don't know about the big mean trooper, but a have an appointment today with a doctor I have never met before. When she gets to the point where she has to ask me if anyone is bullying me should I pass on complaining about my wife or my boss?
    Also my hot water heater shit the bed yesterday and I've been washing in the sink should i just go ahead and take a cold ass shower so she doesn't think I'm a nasty ass, because I know she probably going to do a hemorrhoid check?
  14. Kilvinsky

    Kilvinsky I think, therefore I'll never be promoted.

    1) Why did this complaint not remain anonymous, despite it being withdrawn and my persistent requests that it not reach the officer of concern, as ultimately I withdrew it after realizing my biases had clouded my perceptions?
    2) What happens now? I really wish the complaint could be buried and done with, it shouldn't count as a mark against this officer, I genuinely was just looking to see if there was simply some way to have him be given a non-formal nudge of "don't yell at people" or "don't try to actively frighten people by threatening their relatives with non-specific arrest and then walking off without any other information."

    First off, everyone has the right to face their accuser. You accused. You retracted. Good for you but that Trooper is still facing an investigation because of you.
    You acted in a knee jerk way. You felt hurt. You felt slighted or YOU felt disrespected. Picture yourself being slighted and disrespected on a regular basis simply because you wear a uniform. Picture yourself being asked the same question by a dozen or more people and not really having the answer and BECAUSE you don't have the answer (because you didn't create the situation) finally getting sick and tired of being asked and finally just wanting to dismiss everyone who asks. Picture yourself being put in a situation that you're not comfortable with, time and time again, but because it's your job, you don't have a choice and being GRILLED by those who really don't need to know. Picture yourself facing some dumbass who THINKS they have a right to know or a right to demand an answer over and over again and though you've tried to be nice to the first 100, finally can't stand it anymore and just SNAP at the idiot, even though you know that said idiot may make a complaint because they are so thin skinned that they are HURT by even a sneer and hence, YOU have to face an investigation by those who are buffered from reality by sitting in an office far away from said idiots.

    The public has it easy. You don't like a cop, you can complain because you KNOW that someone is going to slam them and often those that slam them haven't dealt with the public for years. Cops have no real recourse against those that piss them off other than arrest and often times, that's not worth the aggravation. We're easy targets.

    Don't think for one second we believe that you regretted making the complaint, you just don't like how it's made work for you.

    Ok, I didn't read the entire diatribe, it was too long and maybe all of mine won't be read, but if that's the case, we're even. There is a LOT more to be said on the subject, you really have to live with this bullshit to understand it, no matter where you work and THAT is the God's Honest Truth.
  15. kdk240

    kdk240 MassCops Member

    All right to the op, it's clearly evident that you have a strong distain for the police.
    Well let me put it this way, I don't care for people like you either. Now be gone.
    If I hurt your feelings feel free to file another frivolous complaint Trust me it won't be my first. :cool:
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  16. Crazy Otto

    Crazy Otto Working for the clampdown

    OMG! He YELLED! The horror!

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  17. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Think unexpo might have something.
    I call Shenanigans !
    Nobody's this pathetic . . . . ... are they ? :p
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  18. woodyd

    woodyd MassCops Member

    No one say that Masscops isn't interesting anymore. This is fucking GOLD. Oh, and IBTL
  19. Chitownlost

    Chitownlost Internet "expert"

    Wow, I didn't make it past the first sentence.
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  20. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    Was the trooper wearing his hat? You should definitely mention that to the IA investigator.
  21. MiamiVice

    MiamiVice MassCops Member

    Safe space.....

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
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  22. Sgt Jack

    Sgt Jack Subscribing Member

    After working multiple OTs and Details this week trying to read this is just too fucking painful. Actually even without all the extra work it's painful. I need beers and a nap.
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  23. HistoryHound

    HistoryHound Supporting Member

    I'm traumatized just trying to read that. I'd yell at you too and I'm not even a cop.
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  24. k12kop

    k12kop MassCops Member

    So the plumber finished on time and I was able to take a shower before my appointment. She turned out to be he and didn't ask if anyone is picking on me. FWIW I didn't bother reading past the OP's first sentence and my day ended up being just fine. Life goes on.
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  25. FTH

    FTH MassCops Member

    Face your fears, take the responsibility for your actions, accept consequences.
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